Will this site remain strict about gnu/gpl licensing?
Hi Guys,
I'm really looking forward to participating in this forum. I have experience with administrating joomla sites since mambo but am only learning how to program my own extensions now.
I think a forum or group of forums outside of joomla.org is a great idea, simply because joomla.org is so big. Often I won't ask a question because I don't want to distract devs from more important matters.
However I like the fact that the JED is a way of keeping the unfairly licenced stuff away from under my nose. So while I'm not trying to bring up the same old can of worms that has been discussed to death. Can I assume that if it's not in the JED then it is not gonna be here either?
I'm really looking forward to participating in this forum. I have experience with administrating joomla sites since mambo but am only learning how to program my own extensions now.
I think a forum or group of forums outside of joomla.org is a great idea, simply because joomla.org is so big. Often I won't ask a question because I don't want to distract devs from more important matters.
However I like the fact that the JED is a way of keeping the unfairly licenced stuff away from under my nose. So while I'm not trying to bring up the same old can of worms that has been discussed to death. Can I assume that if it's not in the JED then it is not gonna be here either?
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Permalink Reply by Peter van Westen (NoNumber) on -
What do you mean "be here"?
This is not an Extension Directory. It's a platform to discuss and 'communicate'*
I am not sure if we should disallow discussing non-GPL extensions here. Well, I am sure: we shouldn't disallow it.
Most people joining this community will be interested in GPL only development anyway, so I don't think it will be much of a problem.
This community is about sharing information/code/ideas/knowledge. I don't really see non-GPL developers wanting to do that.
* 'communicate': as in community. Is there no verb for 'being a community'? 'commute' seems fitting but has another meaning :) -
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Permalink Reply by Peter van Westen (NoNumber) on
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As in "We as a community communicator with each other"??? communicator is a verb :S
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Permalink Reply by Amy Stephen on
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Thanks for raising the topic, Techbot. I want to hear what folks think on this.
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Communicate?
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Permalink Reply by Peter van Westen (NoNumber) on
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I was asking for a verb.
In syntax, a verb is a word (part of speech) that usually denotes an action (bring, read), an occurrence (decompose, glitter), or a state of being (exist, stand). -
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Permalink Reply by Peter van Westen (NoNumber) on
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Yeah, that's what I used :)
But that doesn't cover the load of community, does it.
People that communicate are not per se a community.
Being a community is more than just communicating. -
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Permalink Reply by Mark Simpson on -
Joomla?
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:)
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Permalink Reply by Mitch Pirtle on -
My personal opinion is that we should foster open communication and collaboration, and don't think license should be a factor. Let's open this thing up, shall we? :-)
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Permalink Reply by Alex Andreae on -
I agree with everyone else that this place isn't/shouldn't be as much about promotion (though it'll happen and hopefully for the right reasons), but the idea that if an extension or idea isn't on the JED that we can't talk about it isn't the right way to go. Some of our GPL extensions were removed from the JED for political reasons, and I'm sure others have been affected in different/interesting ways by the JEDs recent changes. Not saying I disagree with their GPL policies, but I'd recommend refining your statement to "Will this site remain strict about open-source discussions", in which case it's already a moot point. If people are here discussing code, it's pretty-much open-source friendly already.
I dislike encrypted code too. It makes it incredibly hard to discuss or debug the following:
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Thanks to @Techbot for opening up this question and to everyone for sharing your perspectives. It's really, really nice to see we have evolved to the point where we can talk about this without bloodshed. W00t! Sign of progress!
I initiated this site in a somewhat desperate attempt to see if we could reconnect as a community. Is there anyone who disagrees our community was damaged by the GPL talks? Is there anyone who participated without some regret? I think it was a low point for all of us as a community and I have personal regret for some of the relationships I damaged with things I said and ways I acted. The silliness even got between Mitch and I, and I am so happy that's over.
In my crystal ball, I see a future where all Joomla! Extensions are free (as in liberty). I believe it's a predictable evolution and we are traveling that path. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. But, I do not believe developers who use proprietary licenses are bad people and I welcome positive relationships with them. I think it's essential to our community to start rebuilding those friendships.
I support Joomla.org's commitment to keep proprietary extensions off of JED. I disagree with the omission of GPL-compliant software, I tend to think the project overreached there, especially considering Mootools itself is MIT. I understand it's easier to manage only GPL Extensions but the fact of the matter is, many Extensions are really composite licenses and provided it's GPL-compliant, it's fine, and we should be able to recognize the real license -- calling something GPL doesn't make it GPL.
Drupal is very careful not to include non-GPL software. You have to get the non-GPL portion off site. WordPress allows GPL-Compliant software, so it's more like what we do, except they allow it to be so labeled. There's not a right or wrong approach but I would have preferred a less stringent approach, especially considering how much we have asked developers to change.
To be clear, though, I applaud the project for the removal of proprietary extensions. The truth is it's impossible to enforce your license when you enable others to break it. Agree, disagree, take it for what it's worth, it's just how I see it and it's not personal.
We are not at Joomla.org. This is a start over place. Everyone is welcome. I just ask that we please be respectful to one another. Any topic is okay. I hope people talk about difficult things because we have to do that to resolve our problems. It's kind of tough to have these discussions if we restrict those with a different opinion from participating. It is my opinion that it would be difficult to have these discussions at joomla.org today. It can happen here, though. And, I hope it does.
I don't want to be a moderator here and I strongly suspect Mitch feels the same. I don't want to help adults with interpersonal issues. I don't want to read conversations and try to interpret messages to evaluate whether it's consistent with a certain ideology. I just want to learn from others and help facilitate communication because that's how I think we, as a community, start to pull back together.
I believe in the power of community to figure out what to do and how to do it. Communities can be noisy and opinionated and sometimes struggle with conflict. People seek consensus and will resolve their conflict if they are allowed to express themselves and feel they have been heard.
I share your position on licensing, @techbot, and I hope you participate with all of us. -
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