Web developers will agree that developing a software is not only the technical but also is an educational process. You can't know everything but you shouldn't. There is a lot of information in the internet, books, trainings, etc. If you get a new knowledge you may get a new experience that in its turn may bring you new projects. By the way, I know some developers who like and strive to get only tasks that they don't know how to implement at first.

Learning is good, however we all are busy people. I think it's extremely important to be able to find the right and clear answer on your request.

When you need some new knowledge: what formats of Joomla developer materials do work for you the best? — How-to's, tips&tricks, full tutorials, video tutorials, trainings, forum posts, blog posts, books, etc?

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As for me, I do like when some seasoned developers share their experience of solving the problems they faced during the development. In other words — there is a problem (or feature to implement) and here is how we did it and why.
Well, I rarely talk to Joomla beginner users (not developers or site builders) however what you offer is good. If you can find other people who want to contribute to such kind of manual — it would be definitely a great add-on to the Joomla documentation.
Jason - would you be willing to start a new thread and initiate a small documentation project that you think would be helpful to new users? If you do, I will do my best to round up a few people to work with you.
Awesome! Thanks! :)
I would help with this!

Hils

Amy Stephen said:
Jason - would you be willing to start a new thread and initiate a small documentation project that you think would be helpful to new users? If you do, I will do my best to round up a few people to work with you.
Hope his doesn't sound too off the wall! I am continually in contact with new Joomla! users therefore aware of their problems and needs. One neglected Joomla! resource maybe is the content provided with an install. Could that be expanded? eg in a module, show how to make a module, in the menu show how to do that etc etc. Make it a fully instructional demo? Show how tos rather than just what is available? Please remember that this would be for absolute beginners - an option perhaps?

Hils
Hilary Cheyne said:
Hope his doesn't sound too off the wall! I am continually in contact with new Joomla! users therefore aware of their problems and needs. One neglected Joomla! resource maybe is the content provided with an install. Could that be expanded? eg in a module, show how to make a module, in the menu show how to do that etc etc. Make it a fully instructional demo? Show how tos rather than just what is available? Please remember that this would be for absolute beginners - an option perhaps?
Hopefully besides the "new and up to date" documentation for 1.6 will be the "new and up to date" sample install information. Joomla! 1.6 is worthy of having current sample install data!
Hilary Cheyne said:
...One neglected Joomla! resource maybe is the content provided with an install. Could that be expanded? eg in a module, show how to make a module, in the menu show how to do that etc etc. Make it a fully instructional demo? Show how tos rather than just what is available?...

Hils

Guess this suggestion is now irrelevant as our Joomla! demo site management and content provision is being sold by Open Source Matters

http://opensourcematters.org/requests-for-proposals/124-rfp-demo-si...
Hilary Cheyne said:
Guess this suggestion is now irrelevant as our Joomla! demo site management and content provision is being sold by Open Source Matters http://opensourcematters.org/requests-for-proposals/124-rfp-demo-si...

Hilary -

Actually, I look at that RFP process as a good thing. I wonder if people misunderstand this, or if I am?

This is how I understand it:

Right now, the project only works with one company on hosting needs. Initially, the resource was completely free of charge. But, as we grew, it wasn't possible for that single company to offer more and more hosting for free.

So, now it appears that OSM is entertaining bids for hosting, rather than simply getting hosting through the same company. Shortly after the RFP, OSM shared an announcement that gives a glimpse into why they took this approach. So, I see the RFP of the Demo site as a step in the right direction.

I do not see this as selling the demo site, I believe is merely an RFP calling for bids for hosting. The project is now entertaining a competitive bid process, rather than a single vendor, in this area.

If I am wrong about this, please let me know.

Thanks!
Amy
I do not see this as selling the demo site, I believe is merely an RFP calling for bids for hosting. The project is now entertaining a competitive bid process, rather than a single vendor, in this area.

I should have said 'renting out' Amy rather than selling!

Of course if it is just the hosting and the management of the hosting it sounds like a good plan and thank you to those who tender for this.

But it does become slightly cloudy with one of the minimum requirements being:

A simple and reliable way to try out the major features of the Joomla!® content management system.

I shall happily accept your understanding of the proposal as correct Amy! Thank you for responding...

Hils
You are right. I have no idea what that RFP is all about. I guess they are looking to hosting and the demo setup to someone else, and create a money maker where users are encouraged to host with the demo site provider and OSM gets a cut of each sale. Perhaps the assumption is it will cover the costs and more. I don't know, Hilary.
Amy - slightly confused here... I saw your first response - went away to think about it - and now a different response.

Hils

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